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PostPosted: 12.08.2004 20:58    Post subject: flash tečaj Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ok. uskoro ću počet sa flash tečajem. zanima me kolike su cjene toga da se mogu kordinirati.

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PostPosted: 12.08.2004 21:56    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

pa odi na na sajtove od firmi koje to vode i vidi cijene.
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 08:19    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..
Raspitaj se i sredi neki odnos cijena/kvaliteta.

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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 11:23    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..


Onda bi ja trebao znati Flash Smile Mislim dobro osnove znam Wink
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 11:25    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..

Onda bi ja trebao znati Flash Smile Mislim dobro osnove znam Wink

huh? Shocked

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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 11:34    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Philatz wrote:
Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..

Onda bi ja trebao znati Flash Smile Mislim dobro osnove znam Wink

huh? Shocked


Išao sam na Pro-Anima tečaj Smile
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 14:25    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Jel valjaju cemu ti tecajevi, jel ima neki high intermediate stupanj (kao start)...
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 14:27    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

stripe wrote:
Jel valjaju cemu ti tecajevi, jel ima neki high intermediate stupanj (kao start)...


Pa u mom slučaju upoznali su nas s DWom te Flashom.... Ono tablice and shit, što je motion tween bla bla... Ne izađeš kao gotov designer, i nema praktične koristi po mom mišljenju ako već znaš što želiš učiti. U slučaju Flasha bolje se posveti Flashkitu, ActionScript.orgu, Kirupi,... But thats just me Smile
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 14:38    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..

Onda bi ja trebao znati Flash Smile Mislim dobro osnove znam Wink

huh? Shocked

Išao sam na Pro-Anima tečaj Smile

kod Tomislava ili? Wink

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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 16:51    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..
Raspitaj se i sredi neki odnos cijena/kvaliteta.


Ma ne! JA ću vodit tečaj flasha, pa me zanima kolke su cijene toga. Mislio sam naplatit oko 50 do 55€, a vidim da je to puno skuplja stvar. Al jebiga, imat ću više klijenata Wink

BTW - neću predavati u ovoj državi >_<
I još jedan btw - smijeh je nepotreban jer sam se na ovo pripremao oko više od pola godine, imam cijeli program, dobio sam prostor i dozvoljenje pa čak i organizaciju, ali još uvijek planiram cijene tako da...

Kakva vam se čini cijena za 50 do 55€ za predavanje Flash MX-a 2004 - sve o programu i upotrebljavanju programa i osnove actionscriptinga (preloader, slide show, kontroliranje filmova/movie clipova...).

Ako vas zanima mogu post-at cijeli program...
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 16:54    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Ajde zanima nas Smile
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 18:11    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

luksy wrote:
Ma ne! JA ću vodit tečaj flasha...

A jesi ih sve zajebo Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 18:46    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

luksy car, vec sam se poceo cudit da ti ides na tecaj Very HappyD

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PostPosted: 13.08.2004 21:16    Post subject: ...program Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Sulien wrote:
luksy wrote:
Ma ne! JA ću vodit tečaj flasha...

A jesi ih sve zajebo Rolling Eyes


ma ne, nego smo se krivo razumjeli. inače...evo programa. Nisam ga ja pisao, ali sam ga dobio pa sam ga proučio i naučio. Mislim da je sve zahvaćeno što bi se trebalo znati da bi radili u Flashu i bilo bi cca. 10-15 sati svega ako se ne varam.

Introduction
::welcome
::file types
::bitmaps vs. vectors
::Flash MX 2004 vs. Professional Flash MX 2004

The Interface
::the interface

Drawing and Color
::drawing with the pencil
::modifying lines
::drawing with the pen
::the oval and rectangle tools
::free transform tool
::modifying and optimizing shapes
::the brush tool
::the lasso tool
::the eyedropper tool
::using the mixer and creating gradients
::the fill transform tool
::adding custom colors and importing colors
::working with multiple objects
::grouping objects

Animation Basics
::the timeline
::movie properties and frame rate
::frames vs. keyframes
::deleting, copying and reversing frames
::testing movies

Frame By Frame Animation
::frame by frame animation

Shape Tweening
::shape tweening
::shape hinting
::shape tweening text
::edit multiple frames
::animating gradients

Libraries, Symbols and Instances
::creating and editing symbols
::alternate methods to create symbols
::editing symbol instances
::working with the library

Motion Tweening
::basic motion tweening
::tweening effects
::edit multiple frames
::motion guides
::motion guide extras
::motion tweening text
::motion tweening text part 2
::motion tweening text part 3

Timeline Effects
::adding, removing, editing timeline effects

Masking
::masking
::animated masks

Type
::text fields overview
::text options and aliasing text
::paragraph options
::text fields explained
::device fonts
::spell checking, search replace

Bitmaps
::importing and compressing
::bitmap sequence
::bitmap fills
::breaking apart bitmaps
::trace bitmap

Buttons
::button types
::basic button
::rollover button
::invisible button

Movie Clips
::what are movie clips?
::modifying movie clip instances
::animated rollover button
::animated masks using movie clips

ActionScripting Basics
::actions window
::time-based vs user-based actions
::stop on frame
::stop and play
::slide show
::getURL
::creating a popup menu
::popup menu part 2
::pop up menu part
::scrolling text
::controlling movie clips
::what are scenes?
::what are preloaders?
::building a simple preloader
::preloader part 2
::preloader part 3
::preloader resources
::looping the slideshow
::looping part 2
::what is loadMovie?
::loading a .swf
::loading a .swf part 2
::loading a .jpg
::behaviors

Sound
::importing sounds
::the sound panel
::music on/off button
::music on/off part 2
::sounds on buttons

Video
::importing and compressing video
::importing and compressing part 2
::editing video with the video wizard
::controlling video playback

Publishing
::publishing content
::publishing content part 2
::creating a projector
::FS commands
::the bandwidth profiler
::generate size report
::the Flash plugin detection kit

Deconstructing
::site overview, deconstruction

Accessibility
::making Flash content accessible

Templates
::using the built-in templates

Conclusion
::goodbye
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PostPosted: 15.08.2004 14:23    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

znaci ti mislis u 10-15 sati to objasnit ljudima i naplatit oko 50jura po glavi? ..
hmm.. ako nesto shvate, blago njima. Smile)
Ma ne, salim se.. pa ono gle, inace tecajevi traju po nekoliko mjeseci i obradi se dosta toga, recimo ja mislim da je flash tecaj oko mjesec dana, s tim da imas tjedno tri puta tecaj po dva sata.. dakle to je ipak vise od 10-15 sati..
stvarno ne znam cijenu ali po meni je 50jura malo.. nabij malo cijenu.
ipak ti ces morat krv pisat da im nesto objasnih a za mincy faggot 50jura se to ne isplati.
imho. Wink

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PostPosted: 15.08.2004 15:25    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ispod 250€ se nemoj ni tudit s tim se zajebavat, nikad ne znas koji nivo znanja ce imat ljudi koji ce ti dolaziti, ili koliko su mozda ograniceni u razumijevanju tako da...

250€ minimum (IMO)
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PostPosted: 15.08.2004 16:33    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

U 10-15 sati nece znati ni gdje im je guzica,a kamoli sta je to flash i kako raditi u njemu...Puno produktivnije bi bilo da malo povecas broj sati,a s tim i cijenu Wink

Stripe:Od kud ti vadis te cifre?????Jesi li ti kad uzeo ljudima u grupnom radu 25€ na sat??Mislim trzisna je utakmica,i svatko uzima koliko misli da moze,ali ovo je previse kao i sto je Luksyjeva cijena premala....

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PostPosted: 15.08.2004 17:02    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Jasno mi je da mozda zvuci previse (mozda fakat i je ali je tu puno faktora koje dizu cijenu) i s vremenom bi mozda trebao spustiti cijenu ali pogledaj tecajevi za FLASH su tu negdje:
Basic 1000kn
Advanced (mos mislit) 1000kn
Pro (ovo zbilja je pro) 2800kn
(po sistemu moras proci jedno da bi dosao do drugog)

Ovo su Algebrine cifre i dobijes certifikate (odnosno pravo da ih polozis) ali ralika je u tome sto su oni vec debelo komercijalni i poznati (point: isplatili su se, sada idu na zaradu) a ti vjerojatno tek trebas nabaviti nekih 8 kompova + licence za softver (ne vjerujem da ce te macromedia certificirati za predavaca tako da ces morati platiti), do the math Very Happy
BTW: Nisam ni vido ovo da traje 15 sati (mozda i jesam ali sam zaboravio skrolajuci kroz sve te teme koje planiras obraditi) ali brijem da je nemoguce, barem 30sati (kao sto sam rekao, ne mozes pretpostaviti da svi imaju predznanje da ce te moci pratiti istom brzinom, znaci morati ces usporiti tempo svaki puta kada nekome bude islo sporije)
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PostPosted: 16.08.2004 01:43    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

stripe wrote:

a ti vjerojatno tek trebas nabaviti nekih 8 kompova + licence za softver (ne vjerujem da ce te macromedia certificirati za predavaca tako da ces morati platiti), do the math Very Happy


imam prostor i kompove...ma imam totalno sve. OSIM...certifikat za predavača. ali ako nekima netreba certifikat da uči office, onda meni netreba da učim flash. F*** them. Wink)

ali vjerujem da cu jednog dana ic do algebre "pokupit" certifikat za flash designera čim skupim pare Wink
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PostPosted: 16.08.2004 08:30    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Philatz wrote:
Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
Fortius wrote:
Philatz wrote:
zadnje sto sam cuo je da Pro-Anima ima najbolej tecaje za Flash tako da ono..

Onda bi ja trebao znati Flash Smile Mislim dobro osnove znam Wink

huh? Shocked

Išao sam na Pro-Anima tečaj Smile

kod Tomislava ili? Wink


isla ja kod tomislava u proanimu..tecaj cijeli je kostao 2800 kn, 3 mjeseca svaki dan po par sati.. aflash je mislim bio oko mjesec dana, naravno osnove flasha...a i to je premalo vremena.
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PostPosted: 16.08.2004 10:15    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

nema šanse bilo kaj objasnit u 15 sati. možda osnove.
rađe podijeli to u neke skupine, napravi više tečajeva, sa time djeluješ ozbiljnije i što je najvažnije možeš uzet mnogo više novaca.

ako će ti ljudi doći na tečaj na kojem ti objašnjavaš u petoj brzini po nekoliko totalno novih koncepata svaki put, mnogima neće biti ništa jasni i bit će frustrirani.

bolje ti je zato razbij flash na barem 3, ako ne i 5 pod tečajeva, polako i koncizno objasni ljudima na svakom tečaju prema unaprijed pripremljenom planu.. neka shvate o čemu pričaš, rađe jedna tema, pa polako i opširno sa nekoliko primjera i laganijom zadaćom, nego 5 tema, pa nek doma uče....

oni koji ti prođu zadovoljni prvi stupanj (ajmo to tako nazvati) će ti se vratiti i preporučiti te kao kvalitetnog predavača.... bitno je da ljudi budu zadovoljni i da imaju osjećaj da su nešto naučili, onda će ti se vratiti po još...

cijena nije prevelika i stvarno malo razmisli o koncepciji,.....
ja radim s Flashom već dugo i meni je ovo kaj si ti naveo za 10-15 PRENATRPANO, meni koji znam napravit praktički sve to (samo ako mi se da).

razbij to na 3-5 tečajeva...napravi kvalitetno..nek ljudi imaju osjećaj da ti je stalo da nešto nauče, a ne da di si ih pokrao govoreći o stvarima i konceptima koji oni na kraju moraju sami doma googlat i gledat u help.....

ko zadovoljan prođe, ajmo reći 1. stupanj, vratit će se po još...




u krajnjoj liniji, na taj način dobiješ izvor prihoda na duže vrijeme Wink

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PostPosted: 20.08.2004 17:54    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ok. sve super! od početka devetog mjeseca počinju prijave. konačna cijena je 100€ jer mi je ta žena (organizatorka) rekla da je to maximum zbog toga što smo zatim konkurencija ostalima. pa ajde dobro...hvala za sve savjete, a ja vam javim još kasnije kad prođe probni tečaj pa još onda kad počne pravi i da vam javim kakvih "učenika" imam Wink)

- wish me luck
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PostPosted: 20.08.2004 19:29    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

good luck :) nadam se da ces uspjet strpat cijeli program u satnicu :)

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PostPosted: 20.08.2004 22:30    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Slažem se s izjavom meni najdražeg čovjeka iz Dubrave (Wink)... Hf & gl Smile
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PostPosted: 21.08.2004 11:03    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Moj burki se raspitivo za te tecajeve....i dodu oko 5000 kn....i traje nemam blage....3 il 6 mjeseci brijem....nisam ziher.......i poslje dobi taj certifikat ikoji ti priznaju na burzi....i mozes se vodit kao dizajner onda....
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