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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 22:56    Post subject: CSS resursi - start here Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Nakon svog (i ne samo svog, kako sam kasnije saznao) pothvata sa tableless mi3-jem prije dva tjedna dobio sam mnogo PM-ova čestitki (hvala svima) i (pogotovo) pitanja što se tiče CSS-a. Shvatio sam da ljudi koje CSS interesira malo više od onih koji ga pogledaju i odustanu zbog bugova u Internet Exploreru imaju problema sa pronalaženjem dobrih resursa na internetu gdje mogu dobiti n00b crash course introduction u CSS. Uz to, masa drugih koristi CSS samo za text styling i, zbog bugova u browserima, ne vjeruje da se site može napraviti kompletno u CSS-u a da se to drži u svim browserima koje ljudi danas koriste na Windowsima, open source platformama i Mackintosh-ima. Istina je da današnja podrška za CSS u browserima nije baš previše uzorna (imajte na umu da čak ni Firefox i Opera ne podržavaju neke stvari iz CSS level 2), ali to se naglo mijenja i za malo više od godinu dana, kad izlazi Longhorn, će velika većina ljudi imati čisto solidno (ili čak više od toga) standars-compliant user agent (UA), što bi značilo manje hackova za nas developere, a više podržanih advanced CSS tehnika za eksperimentiranje i osvajanje cura (chicks dig CSS) Smile

Dakle, tko još ne zna CSS, a usudio se bez njega napraviti web stranicu u HTML-u... ovo je post za vas, a i za druge koji žele kompletno izbaciti sav nepotreban markup iz HTML-a, smanjiti veličinu fajlova (bandwidth!) za 60% i biti uzor ostalima kao web standards majstor. Cool
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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 22:57    Post subject: Introduction Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Introduction

Potpuno user-friendly n00b intro u CSS možete pronaći na sljedećim sajtovima:
  • W3Schools je odlično mjesto za učenje web standarada. Opsežan introduction u CSS popraćen je odličnim CSS reference tablicama i interaktivnim demo-ima kojima se može vidjeti kako se nešto mijenja editiranjem CSS-a ravno na njihovom sajtu. "Best things in life are free"... ali sa mnogo marketinga sa strane i ispod. Neka vas to ne smeta.
  • Uvod u prejednostavnu sintaksu CSS-a (a i puno više) možete naći i na CSShark Answers FAQ;
  • Web Design Group - CSS Quick Tutorial; i, naravno,
  • W3C CSS Tutorial (opsežan, sa ružnim izborom boja... ali nećemo biti sitničavi Smile ).
  • Westciv (Western Civilisation pty. ltd.) "web standards software and learning" je također odlično mjesto za učenje, no ne počinje skroz od početka... preporučam dakle da se prije prođu neki od gore navedenih tutoriala - kad imate basic znanje, trk na Westciv Smile sajt izgleda mali, ali ima puno toga ("i otrov se u malim bočicama drži") Twisted Evil
  • Interactive CSS Box Model demo (Flash required) - sjajna stvar Surprised ... CSS box model je najvažnija stvar u CSS-u, a ovaj demo pomaže da ga razumiju oni kojima specifikacija nije posve jasna

Što dalje? Ako niste odustali, nego vas (naprotiv) interesira: dobar programmer's editor je preduvjet. Bojanje sintakse i indentiranje je nešto bez čega se ne može - pustite neke da se hvale kako sve rade u notepadu; dogodit će vam se da napišete "backround-color:gray" i onda razbijate glavu pola sata zašto to ne radi prije nego što skužite typo. Isto tako sa indentiranjem - ako želite pregledan CSS file, u notepadu ćete razbiti TAB key. No point in that - nađite programmers editor u kojem možete pisati i HTML,CSS,JavaScript,PHP/ASP,SQL queries i ostalo, da se ne switchate između programa. Ja koristim jedan advanced open-source editor koji mi boji sintaksu u CSS-u tako sa vidim typo iz aviona - više od toga za CSS mi i ne treba.

CSS je web standard, zar ne? Vrijeme je da sad skoknete na nešto što ćete čitati puno i dugo - W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) specifikacije (sve se mogu, naravno, i downloadati u HTML-u ili PDF-u):
  • Na početku počnite sa CSS level 1 - specifikacija je malo starija i ne tako vizualno dotjerana kao naredne, ali ako odmah počnete čitati one druge bit će prenaporne i zatrpat će vas nerazumljivim informacijama.
  • Kad svladate (odnosno razumijete) sve iz level 1, u level 2 i level 2.1 ćete naći stvari koje čine CSS toliko kul. Level 2.1 je još uvijek "Candidate W3C Recommendation".
  • CSS Level 3 je još uvijek u fazi izrade, ali se, naravno, može pogledati kako do sada izgleda. Quote: "It includes all of level 2 and extends it with new selectors, fancy borders and backgrounds, vertical text, user interaction, speech and much more." Smile kewl !!
  • HTML4.01 - smijat ćete se, ali da li znate sve? Prije niste morali paziti na semantiku, accessibility i slično; sad morate. Najvažnije je u svako vrijeme znati semantiku elemenata koje koristite i kako ćete ju iskoristiti za pisanje CSS-a.
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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 22:58    Post subject: Intermediate Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Intermediate

Nakon što ste naučili sve specifikacije napamet (kidding Smile) i znate osnove, službeno ste CSS Apprentice. Instalirali ste Exclamation Web Developer Toolbar Exclamation u Firefox (inače, većina vas ima ver 0.8 sa Mozilla update-a, posljednja verzija je 0.92 na homepageu) ili nabavili Operu, surfate internetom i grozite se nad golemim almost-trash sajtovima koji se učitavaju godinama (ako nemate još DSL/kabelski), na chatu uletavate curama sa CSS spikom, a kad ste živčani i pod stresom umjesto cigareta posežete za specifikacijom i naučite nešto novo i ultra kul. Sada vam treba malo motivacije:
  • Svi znamo za CSS Zen Garden (znamo li? Confused). Treba li vam još motivacije?? Jedan HTML - stotine CSS-ova... i to ne bilo kakvih: predivnih, zapanjujućih Surprised CSS-ova. To hell with tables Evil or Very Mad
  • CSS web sites no tables - preko 1000 entry-a vam valjda nešto i govori, ne? Razz
  • Neki sjajno dizajnirani, neki odličnog sadržaja, a neki oboje, pure 100% CSS web resource sajtovi:
    Arrow AListApart (najbolji članci o web developmentu), Stopdesign (wow Surprised ), Stylegala (linkovi na druge dobro dizajnirane i standards-driven sajtove), Simplebits, Mezzoblue, WaSP (The Web Standards Project - odlični resursi)
  • Whoa, za ovaj nisam ni znao kad sam prvi put pisao: JAKO dobar Arrow 456 Berea Street

Kao što ja ovdje navodim resurse, i drugi ih imaju (i to gotovo na svakom do sada polinkanom sajtu):

Druge korisne stvari:


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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 22:59    Post subject: XHTML Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

XHTML

XHTML je 'the next generation HTML'. Zašto govorim o njemu? Jer je riječ o CSS-u, a kad radite sajtove 100% u CSS-u tada više ne trebate običan HTML, jer on definira mnoge atribute i tag-ove koji definiraju izgled sadržaja što vam više uopće ne treba. Kada prijeđete na CSS, odmah prijeđite i na XHTML 1.0 (strict, po mogućnosti). Saznat ćete više na:

EDIT:
Lachlan Hunt on Mezzoblue discussion wrote:
The XML prologue IS optional, and DOES send IE into quirks mode; and when it's used in a document served as text/html, it's fairly useless since the document is not processed as XML, so it is ignored.

When served correctly as application/xhtml+xml, it must be inlcuded when the character encoding is not UTF-8 or UTF-16, but even then it is better to include it so that the document is fully self describing, and does not depend on a content-type header to set the charset.

Ian Hickson wrote:
The advantages of XHTML

When sent as application/xhtml+xml, XHTML has several advantages:
  1. XHTML content will be able to be mixed-and-matched with content from other well-known namespaces (in particular, MathML). This is the main advantage for content authors.
  2. UAs will immediately catch well-formedness errors
  3. Tools interacting with XHTML documents are guaranteed a well-formed document.
  4. XHTML content can be parsed with a simpler parser than tag soup can, and a _much_ simpler parser than SGML can.
However, none of these apply when an XHTML document is sent as text/html, and since authors feel their pages should be readable on the most popular Web browser, which does not support application/xhtml+xml, there is basically no point in using XHTML at the moment. Sad



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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 22:59    Post subject: Problems? Have no fear Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Problems?

Kada naiđete na probleme pišući XHTML/CSS, bacite oko na sljedeće:


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PostPosted: 08.01.2005 23:00    Post subject: Hardcore CSS... oh yeah Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Advanced / CSS layouts

The fun part... Twisted Evil CSS layoutsa postoji jako mnogo, a tehnika ovisi o tome koliko kolumni sajt ima, da li je navigacija desno ili lijevo, gdje što dolazi u source-u... Osim layoutsa, tu ima i korisnih linkova kojima možete naučiti i neke druge kul stvari sa CSS-om - so, dig in!
  • Ružan, ali ultra koristan PositionIsEverything je "the ultimate resource" za kompleksne layoute koji se drže u svim modernim browserima među kojima su famozna 3-column "Piefecta" i "Perched Upon a Lily Pad"; browser bugove (pogotovo za IE) i razne workaroundove i hackove. Resursi su također sjajni.
  • Glish CSS layouts - ranije sam ga linkao, ali opet to činim: bogat site sa layoutima, resursima i svačime srodnim.
  • Bluerobot Layout Reservoir - tu sam naučio CSS Smile sweet
  • Eric Meyer's css/edge experiments: "A collection of cutting-edge CSS-driven design demos, created by yours truly as a way of showing just how far you can take CSS in a browser that fully supports it. Some pages may look a little weird in your browser, but that's to be expected when you're on the edge..." Cool Morate pogledati - famozni "Complexspiral" i "Pure CSS menus" demo
  • ALA: Taming lists - odličan članak za sve koji žele lijepu navigaciju... JavaScript rollovers su out, CSS hover effects su in Cool
  • Još vas zbunjuje CSS float property? Float Layouts @ The Autistic Cuckoo. Ekstenzivno.
  • Tstme - the Redmelon public test: CSS rollovers, CSS columns, CSS corners
  • La Chatte Noire - lab and testing area: transparent borderstable formatting (width) and table-width problems in IE Win • the "Clagnut tabs" reworked • a border and padding around an imageplaying with listmarkers • CSS3 modules, overflow on body and html tags • Problems in Gecko based browsers • Problems in Apple's Safari browsers (and browsers based on the WebCore rendering engine) • Tab Key navigation • an accessible table • accessible "skip navigation" link
  • Moj najdraži Lorem Ipsum generator Smile Pomaže kad radite CSS text formatting za site, a nemate previše teksta
  • ...and lastly - Named Colours @ HTMLSource: "html+ colors color chart, with HEX codes", odnosno tablica imenovanih boja koje nisu u W3C specifikaciji, ali ih FF i IE implementiraju (a za druge ne znam).
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PostPosted: 09.01.2005 00:15    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Sulien wrote:
Ako netko nađe broken link (ne bi smio), ne mora reportati na topic već bolje na PM. Da, mnogo ovih linkova je svojevremeno linkano sa mi3 - sad su na jednom mjestu, a ako netko hoće nadopuniti neka slobodno posta na topic... samo neka chat bude na minimumu. Hvala...


Svaka cast - stavio sam topic kao sticky!
Sva eventualna pitanja postavljajte u novi topic - sve postove osim nadopunjavanja resursa ćemo automatski moderirati (citaj: delete+kick/ban :)

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PostPosted: 09.01.2005 01:05    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Ja bih jos samo dodao http://www.htmldog.com/reference/cssproperties/ tj. sam http://www.htmldog.com/ sajt kojeg najbolje opisuje njegov subtitle "A Good Practice Guide to XHTML and CSS.".
A u slucaju da je vec negdje gore spomenut, molim banajte me zbog idiotizma Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 09.01.2005 13:36    Post subject: It's all about accessibility & usability Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Accessibility / usability / semantics

Sajtovi u čistom CSS-u su više accessible. Sajtovi sa dobrom semantikom elemenata i slijedom u source-u su još više accessible... Ali web developer uvijek može biti još bolji i prezentirati željeni sadržaj još široj "publici". Hvala mi3 krew-u i ostalima za odlične linkove u newsima, i Marcu za dobre usability savjete po forumima Smile

Zašto? Zato jer su ljudi toliko opsjednuti dizajnom, odnosno plitkim površinskim izgledom svega da zaboravljaju što prikazuju i što ljudi dolaze da vide, uporno uništavajući sadržaj prezentacijom oslanjajući se na to da će 'sve sjesti na svoje mjesto' na ekranu, a posljedica toga je ono što imamo danas na webu i 'trash' forum na dimitriju. I zato što se slijepa osoba ne može ni ulogirati na Iskon zbog neke reklame, a ne može ni saznati što se to reklamira - kakvog to ima smisla? OK, I'll shut up now...
Just be nice & make nice web. Wink

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PostPosted: 27.01.2005 16:34    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

http://www.ordersomewherechaos.com/rosso/webdev/hide_css_from_browsers/

Odličan site, pokazuje tehnike skrivanja css naredbi od određenih browsera, http://www.ordersomewherechaos.com/rosso/webdev/hide_css_from_browsers/comment/index.html --> ovo me spasilo dok sam pokušavao natjerati IE5.0 da na inline elemente primijeni padding kako bi se vidjela pozadinska slika, ovako jednostavno IE5.0 i stariji niti ne vide sliku Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 17.02.2005 21:05    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Onlajn alati

Niz onlajn alata/code generatora. Nisam ih sve isprobao, ali siguran sam da će biti bar od neke koristi.


Trebate templateove?

Sljedeće stranice nude ili templateove ili osnovni kôd za layout sajta. All of them are free. (neki su linkani i ranije)

http://www.cssfill.com/ - a selection of completely free CSS / XHTML based layouts & templates...
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ - BlueRobot Layout Reservoir - free basic layouts
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/ - Ruthsarian Layouts
http://glish.com/css/ - CSS Layout Techniques

http://nemesis1.f2o.org/templates

http://oswd.org/

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PostPosted: 28.02.2005 02:55    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

thnx Red Smile

book review @ digitalwebmagazine:
The Zen of CSS Design - Visual Enlightenment for the Web
(by Dave Shea & Molly)

Nije baš online resource, ali mnogi bi bili zainteresirani. Buy.
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PostPosted: 28.02.2005 13:52    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Jao, JAOOO zašto ovo nisam prije vidio??

css.maxdesign.com.au featuring
  • LISTAMATIC - Can you take a simple list and use CSS to create radically different list options? The Listamatic shows the power of CSS when applied to a simple list.
  • LISTAMATIC 2 - Well, you asked for them. Nested lists! Choose from one of the growing number of samples or submit a list of your own.
  • LISTUTORIAL - Step by step tutorials on using CSS to create background image lists, rollover lists, nested lists and horizontal lists.
  • FLOATUTORIAL - Step by step tutorials on using CSS to create floating images, images with captions, next and back buttons, drop caps, inline lists and more.
  • SELECTUTORIAL - The structure of rules, the document tree, types of selectors and their uses. Plus a step by step tutorial using selectors to build a 3-column layout.

Predobro!
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PostPosted: 28.02.2005 14:18    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

List-O-Rama! (free DREAMWEAVER extension)

Quote:
List-O-Rama will allow you to generate nice CSS inline menus in seconds. Just walk through the wizard and insert the text of the links, choose the vertical or horizontal menu, pick the design and click on finish. The code is automatically generated and inserted in your page. It can't get any easier than this.


Najs! Mislim, za one hooked to DW Smile
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PostPosted: 11.03.2005 16:42    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

100% height & related stuff (not really newbie stuff)

Q - Kak da CSS-om natjeram DIV-ove na 100% visine?!1 Kak da zakeljim footer da uvijek bude na dnu ekrana?! Hoću više jednako visokih DIV-ova!!1

A : Neki od članaka koji će pomoći:

Ima još...


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PostPosted: 11.03.2005 18:32    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Wow, odlični!

Quirks mode je možda najlakši, ali treba dobro razmisliti da li zaista želite baciti browsere u quirks samo zbog nekih finesa kao što je npr. footer na dnu.

Ako želite zasnati više o quirks modu link se nalazi na ovom threadu pod "XHTML", 4. bullet.

Na jednom od ovih Redovih linkova našao sam da tutorial za hover efekt kojeg sam napisao već postoji Surprised oh, well...
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PostPosted: 11.03.2005 18:52    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Definiranje veličine teksta

Q - Čujem da definiranje veličine teksta u pixelima nije neko rješenje... Kog vraga da onda koristim?

A - Size text with ems

Q - Ma kog vraga linkaš tolko?!1 Ne čita mi se, #$%!1#!! !!1

A - Ukratko, za body postavite {font-size:62.5%}, a dalje sa em-ovima, npr. p {font-size:1em;}

Dodatak:

Skrinšotovi by O. Briggs @ http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/index.html

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PostPosted: 11.03.2005 20:04    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Znao sam da ovo postoji, ali nisam znao da je TAKO DOBRO:

Using bookmarklets to experiment with CSS

Donekle je slično kao neki featuresi iz firefox web developer toolbar, ali opet nije isto... TRY!!
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red wrote:
A - Ukratko, za body postavite {font-size:62.5%}, a dalje sa em-ovima, npr. p {font-size:1em;}

Gdje je onda 1em 10px, 1.1em 11px, 0.9em (.9em) 9px i tako dalje.
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PostPosted: 04.04.2005 12:50    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Online alati za kreiranje obrazaca



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PostPosted: 22.06.2005 18:47    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

The CSS Cheat Sheet ilitiga šalabahter (objašnjenje ovdje)

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PostPosted: 22.06.2005 23:15    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ovo je mozda nevezano, ali meni je trebalo pa da podijelim link sa svijetom.

ako koristite <pre> za ispis npr. koda, a zelite da se dugacki redovi prelome, treba vam ovo:
http://pms.colonpee.com/irc/20020517_fRy.html

ili copy paste:
Code:
pre {
 white-space: -moz-pre-wrap;  /* Mozilla, supported since 1999 */
 white-space: -pre-wrap;      /* Opera 4 - 6 */
 white-space: -o-pre-wrap;    /* Opera 7 */
 white-space: pre-wrap;       /* CSS3 - Text module (Candidate Recommendation)
                                 http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#white-space */
 word-wrap: break-word;       /* IE 5.5+ */
}

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PostPosted: 06.07.2005 11:08    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

A kak sve to izgleda na Macu?

Free screenshot generatori:
http://www.danvine.com/icapture/
http://www.fundisom.com/g5/

Ne-free screenshot generatori:
http://www.browsercam.com/

+

http://www.browsrcamp.com/
http://browsershots.org/

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PostPosted: 15.09.2005 11:05    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Di je onaj, kak se zove, VALIDATOR?

HTML validator - http://validator.w3.org/
CSS validator - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

Q: Ček, stani, kaj će mi to uopće?
A: Mr. Zeldman kaže, and I quote him from http://www.alistapart.com/stories/betterliving/ - Make a Date to Validate -- Validation takes just a few moments. If you don’t bother with this step, and if your XHTML or CSS contains errors, your site may not function properly. It may also look quite different than what you intended. With valid markup and CSS, compliant browsers tend to render your site as you expect, with exceptions to be discussed below. With invalid XHTML or CSS, all bets are off, and you can’t blame the browsers.

Link Checker - http://validator.w3.org/checklink

Accessibility Validator - http://webxact.watchfire.com/

Atom & RSS Validator - http://feedvalidator.org/

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PostPosted: 29.09.2005 19:16    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Dreamweaver i standardi
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If you're working with the new version of Dreamweaver, you may be interested in a new book from SitePoint aimed at those who wish to build standards compliant sites.

Written by WaSP member Rachel Andrew of the Dreamweaver Task Force, and tech edited by Group Leader Molly E. Holzschlag, Build Your Own Standards Compliant Website Using Dreamweaver 8 is apparently everything you need to create standards compliant, accessible, cross-browser compatible websites with - you guessed it - Macromedia Dreamweaver 8.
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