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CSS ili Tabele
CSS (tableless)
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Tabele (normalno CSSa, font ovo ono)
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 17:12    Post subject: CSS vs. Table Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Znači to je naslov, imate i pool.. šta koristite zašto kako...
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 17:17    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Def tabele.

Uradio sam par Table Less čisto da probam i oduzelo mi je mnogo više vremena a ni rezultat nije baš sjajan.
CSS jednostavno nije još dovoljno razrađen (po meni) za izradu svega. Imalo ozbiljan dizajn zahtjeva min. 3 CSS "haka".

Sa druge strance malo tabela sa brdom CSSa je dobitna kombinacija.
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 17:35    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Tableles.Jednostavnije za u raditi i odrzavati, tabele iskljucivo za tablicne podatke koristiti.

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 17:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Less, Tabeless.

Zašto? Brzina učitavanja, fleksibilnost, lako ažuriranje/redizajniranje, fun.
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 17:45    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

dosada nisam trebala napraviti nista kompliciranije od fluidnog 3-column floated layouta i to sam uspjela (uz veliku pomoc PositionIsEverything). tablice ne koristim.. ima vec skoro godinu dana.
fixed-width layouti su piece of cake.

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:22    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Ja sam jednom čuo strašnu priču kako je jedan mladi coder oporukom dobio u naslijeđe golemu svotu novaca i zamak uz uvjet da preživi noć sa trojicom kolega codera u istom radeći tableless verziju negog sajta, ali skoro nitko se nije vratio živ! Shocked Danima kasnije našli su samo jednoga u šumi kako tumara - jadnik je poludio, šenuo pameću, i nikad nije više taknuo CSS za layoute jer kad bi došao na tableless site počeo bi vrištati i gristi... Nitko ne zna što se zaista desilo u tom zamku

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:32    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

zivio css! Smile

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:34    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Imam rješenje! Čemu tablice, čemu CSS-at?
U fotošopu napraviš neku sliku, pobacaš sve kaj ti treba unutra, sevjaš za web i to je to!
Isto se svidi u svim brauzerima na svim rezolucijama i platformama!

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:43    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

@Sulien, bash funny. Samo problem je sto se sitvo CSS codera po potrebi raspadaju na resize, i na pravljenje je potroseno jako puno vremena a od lakog odrzavanja u ogromnom sistemu nema bas previse krua.

Takodje, volio bi da cujem kako to vi iskusni gurui lakse odrzavate CSS meni je odrzavanje sa tabelama lakse...
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:44    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

red wrote:
Imam rješenje! Čemu tablice, čemu CSS-at?
U fotošopu napraviš neku sliku, pobacaš sve kaj ti treba unutra, sevjaš za web i to je to!
Isto se svidi u svim brauzerima na svim rezolucijama i platformama!


Zavisi koji format slike...
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:45    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

red wrote:
Imam rješenje! Čemu tablice, čemu CSS-at?
U fotošopu napraviš neku sliku, pobacaš sve kaj ti treba unutra, sevjaš za web i to je to!
Isto se svidi u svim brauzerima na svim rezolucijama i platformama!


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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 18:55    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Fortius wrote:
red wrote:
Imam rješenje! Čemu tablice, čemu CSS-at?
U fotošopu napraviš neku sliku, pobacaš sve kaj ti treba unutra, sevjaš za web i to je to!
Isto se svidi u svim brauzerima na svim rezolucijama i platformama!


NGLJ? Rolling Eyes


Jok, I'm talking one, bigggg image. Budućnost weba, kladim se.

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 20:49    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Tek nekoliko mjeseci radim bez tablica i full sam zadovoljan.... CSS rula Very Happy

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 21:01    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

CSS ROCKZ! Dancing

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najbolja anketa u povijesti interneta!!! rrrrrrrah

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 22:55    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Ja se slazem s onim da CSS jos nije ono sto moze bit...
Pa sam da glas za tablice...
Iako mi CSS sve vise pomaze u dizajnu, i tablice i roll-over slike polako
padaju u zaborav....

Ja bi bio najsretniji kada bi se sa CSSom mogao napravit poligon "hot spot".
ako se moze... plz, neka mi netko posalje PP i prosvjetli me! Smile

a, i ovo sa Photoshopom isto nije loshe, kao ni sa Fireworksom...
samo, za takve stvari treba barem DSL...

BUT I LIKE WORKING WITH IMAGES!!! Cool

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 23:03    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

css. lakši mi za pisat i jednostavniji. tablice zamrzih na satu informatike. damn you td!! Very Happy Very Happy
đaavaaaaa(java kao skripta) ka što bi reka moj profesor...
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che.UP wrote:
najbolja anketa u povijesti interneta!!! rrrrrrrah

i onak – dost friška, rezultati su vrlo neizvjesni...

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maratz wrote:

i onak – dost friška...


jeste... paše uz ovaj lijepi bijeli snijeg vani, što zazimio nam grad!

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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 23:52    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

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Ja bi bio najsretniji kada bi se sa CSSom mogao napravit poligon "hot spot".

Možda bih ti mogao odgovorit kad bi znao što je to... Confused

Amor_E_Morte wrote:
Ja se slazem s onim da CSS jos nije ono sto moze bit

da, još uvijek ne može magijom pretvorit lošeg codera u dobrog Wink
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PostPosted: 01.12.2005 23:57    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Hotspots? Image maps?
http://www.frankmanno.com/ideas/css-imagemap/

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PostPosted: 02.12.2005 00:09    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Amor_E_Morte wrote:
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this good enough?

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PostPosted: 02.12.2005 01:09    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Pa imagemaps se prije nisu ni radile tablicama. Ne kužim što to hoćeš raditi CSS-om što si prije radio na neki drugi način.

Red, Nel'chee, koliko god to kul izgleda, to opet nisu poligoni nego obični boxevi styleani na hover. Tantek je napravio poligone CSS-om ali opet hoveraju kao boxevi...

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PostPosted: 02.12.2005 01:16    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

CSS tabelless. Zadnja tri uradtka sam radio isključivo sa css-o (fluid). Dolazio sam u napast da koristim tablice pogotovo kod dizajniranja formi, ali nisam se dao, ne ne, ja ne Very Happy Mislim da je nužno pridržavati se standarda ( koji ne govore da se tablice trebaju skroz izbaciti iz uporabe već da njihova primjena bude u skladu sa njihovom prvobitnom namjenom) a to što neki fanatici pretjeruju pa uopće nekoriste tablice ( u koje i ja spadam, i to javno priznajem da me obuzima veliko zadovoljstvo kada to postignem Embarassed Very Happy) to je stvar ukusa.
Mislim da vrijedi i truda i živaca i nakoncu vremena.

A što mislite o ovom postu?
Treba li ići u toliku krajnost?
http://www.mi3dot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7053

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PostPosted: 02.12.2005 01:17    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

red wrote:
Hotspots? Image maps?
http://www.frankmanno.com/ideas/css-imagemap/


To sam citao, a ako si i ti, primjetit ćeš da to NIJE odgovor na moje pitanje...
Jer ja sam rekao da bi mi dobro dosle u CSS-u POLYGON image map-e
(hotspots)
A, ovaj tutorial, iako jako dobar, to ne pokazuje... Wink

nel`chee wrote:
Amor_E_Morte wrote:
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this good enough?


Zapravo - ne.
Jer, iako menu izgledao kao da je napravljen od poligona, zapravo je trik sa
kvadratnim "hotspotevima" koji se preklapaju....
Sto se i vidi kada se klikne na bilo koji segment menija:



I, iako ja CSS jako cijenim (i debelo koristim) kod nekih stvari još nije toliko
napredovao. I, "image-maps" u Dreamweaveru popunjavaju CSS-ove nedostatke.
I, u kombinaciji sa "zasterijelim" tehnikama, CSS je vrlo moćan alat.

Moje pitanja se odnosilo na to, da CSS ne moze u jednom komadu prekrit
neki kompleksniji oblik tipa nekog mnogokuta vrlo cudno razvucenog...

Sulien wrote:

Možda bih ti mogao odgovorit kad bi znao što je to... Confused
Amor_E_Morte wrote:
Ja se slazem s onim da CSS jos nije ono sto moze bit

da, još uvijek ne može magijom pretvorit lošeg codera u dobrog Wink


Sulien, neznam da li si ovdje mislio na sebe.
Nadam se da si sada nešto i naučio. Cool

P.S.
Ljudi nemojte ovo shvatit kao napad na Vas štovatelje CSS-a.
Kao što sam već i rekao i sam ga jako koristim, i ja sam jedan od onih koji se jako
divi nekim ljudima ovdje što se dizajna tiče, pogotovo Nelici....
Ja sam samo istaknuo CSS-ovu manu, za koju se nadam da će u budućnosti biti
ispravljena.

E.o.D. za mene!
K. Cool

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