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moko



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PostPosted: 22.09.2006 16:54    Post subject: kad zanemariti CSS validaciju? Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ma evo neki dan se raspravljalo o Sulienovom ipo-u i bilo je tu puno pametnih ljudi sa istančanim ukusom kao i uvijek, ali meni je zanimljivo bilo vidit da se sulien, kojem smo naravno vječno zahvalni za post o css-resursima, usudio na par sati imati site koji nije CSS validan. I pomislih ja:"pa mogu onda i ja imati takav site!!!".

dobro dosta ovog uvoda...dovoljan je bio i naslov, ali uvijek taj horror vacui...

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PostPosted: 22.09.2006 18:55    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

CSS ili HTML validaciju zanemariš kad znaš točno što radiš. Ja znam da bi CSS mogao bolje ispolirati i to ću napraviti kad završe rokovi na faksu. Ima puno važnijih stvari koje su veći prioritet, tiču se HTML-a i CSS-a a nisu validacija. To moraš znati
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PostPosted: 23.09.2006 03:10    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

više sam mislio na tehnički li konceptualni dio...da li se nekad mogu zanemariti CSS validni oblici ako koncept zahtijeva nešto što CSS validator ne odobrava?

Bilo bi mi super čuti ako su neki ljudi naletjeli na ovakve probleme...

Vidio sam stvarno dobrih stranica koje se čini da je radio netko tko zna što radi, a validacija ne prolazi...

npr. http://www.pearljam.com . Meni je stranica dizajnerski predobra, a ne prolazi validaciju.

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PostPosted: 23.09.2006 03:34    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

nemoj me nasmijavat Laughing ova stranica ne postoji ako nemas ukljucen javascript.

i odgovor na tvoje pitanje, da ponekad mi se dogadjalo. npr. kad moras dodati name da bi anchor radio u IE-u, a taj atribut ne postoji. (htjela sam napisati JS rjesenje koje automatski kopira ID u name ali sam lijena i nesposobna)
sad se ne mogu sjetiti nekog drugog primjera ali da, zasto se to ne bi dogadjalo? ako znam da nesto ne mogu izvesti drugacije, a validator ne probavlja, necu cupati kosu zbog toga.

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PostPosted: 23.09.2006 09:04    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Hm.. CSS validacija ili ne... Najbolja svtar je da site izgleda svagdje isto, a sad za CSS validaciju- dobro je da prođe...

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PostPosted: 23.09.2006 13:09    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ma dajte ljudi, pa nije tako teško pratiti web standarde... ( možda kod jaaakoo velikih i složenih projekata, al' ja se sa takvima nisam sreo =)) )

@ BlizZ prati standarde i nećeš imati problema s time =)

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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 18:32    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

baš naletih na par slučajeva u ovom articleu:


http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/02/25/sidestepping/

- funkcioniranje png-a u ie
- max-width u ie
- ...

bitne stvari, a nema načina da se zaobiđu bez da zaboravimo na validaciju

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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 19:22    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

kako ne? posebni stylesheets za IE putem conditional comments, i eto
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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 20:24    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Suli legendo...

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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 20:31    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

po toj logici ako imam u jednom od stylesheetova validan kod nije bitno da imam sa strane hrpu nevalidnih...

ja ne znam šta se ljudi muče... lipo ćemo sve siteove blagoslovit validnim ako imaju jednu praznu css datoteku koja sama po sebi odgovara standardima.

evo ja ću čak i postat kod za nju

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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 21:04    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

Nice code... pod kojom je to licencom: CC, MIT, GPL? Smile

hitno stavi copyright da ti netko ne ukrade
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PostPosted: 27.09.2006 21:04    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

ne. imaš glavni file koji je valid. za IE na sasvim u redu način (HTML komentari) vučeš 'patch' za neispravan browser u obliku popravne :) CSS datoteke.

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 11:36    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

maratz wrote:
ne. imaš glavni file koji je valid. za IE na sasvim u redu način (HTML komentari) vučeš 'patch' za neispravan browser u obliku popravne Smile CSS datoteke.


you lost me at hello! ali kad uzmem papir i olovku u ruke i napravim shemu shvatit ću ja to Smile ...a onda ću se vjerojatno i složit.


nel`chee wrote:
nemoj me nasmijavat Laughing ova stranica ne postoji ako nemas ukljucen javascript.


nemoj me nasmijavat Very Happy da je to nekakav kriterij. možda za elektrin intranet.

mislim da svi znamo da ti je javascript isključen, pogotovo oni u wip.
ako ne budeš stigla komentirat WIP-ove, samo javi i ja ću isključit JS i iskomentirat ću ih.
znam što ćeš reći i odgovor je: ne, nije mi teško Very Happy

nego ozbiljno malo pitanje...znam da ima opakih ljudi outthere, ali zašto ga se ti tako jako bojiš? jel ima razlog da ga i ja isključim?


STOP JS!!!!!! FEED THE HUNGRY!!!!!!

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 13:29    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

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nemoj me nasmijavat Very Happy da je to nekakav kriterij. možda za elektrin intranet.

mislim da svi znamo da ti je javascript isključen, pogotovo oni u wip.
ako ne budeš stigla komentirat WIP-ove, samo javi i ja ću isključit JS i iskomentirat ću ih.
znam što ćeš reći i odgovor je: ne, nije mi teško Very Happy

nego ozbiljno malo pitanje...znam da ima opakih ljudi outthere, ali zašto ga se ti tako jako bojiš? jel ima razlog da ga i ja isključim?

STOP JS!!!!!! FEED THE HUNGRY!!!!!!

Ajd molim te nemoj više radit web stranice, može? Sram me da radimo isti posao

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 14:07    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 14:26    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

bla...

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 14:34    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 14:45    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

moj profesor grčkog i latinskog ovdje bi definitivno rekao: de gustibus non est disputandum...

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bla...

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 15:04    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

jojo wrote:
moj profesor grčkog i latinskog ovdje bi definitivno rekao: de gustibus non est disputandum...


nema ovo veze s gustima.... ja bi rekla de ignorantibus non est disputandum Laughing

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 15:05    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

bann, čist ko suza

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 15:05    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

moko wrote:
maratz wrote:

Ajd molim te nemoj više radit web stranice, može? Sram me da radimo isti posao


ti si se jako zabunio ne radimo isti posao, ali ako baš hoćeš mogu ti dat koju slikicu da je iskidaš i optimiziraš.


HAHAHAHAH! iskidas i optimiziras........aaaaaaaahahahahah....... LOL! +fav <3 [f4g]

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 15:15    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

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HAHAHAHAH! iskidas i optimiziras........aaaaaaaahahahahah....... LOL! +fav <3 [f4g]


imaš pravo glupa baza...malo me povuka za jezik... frend si mu i kolega i normalno da ćeš reagirat...

ne pada mi napamet se prepucavat ode.
ti si che administrator pa me benaj lipo i rješi stvar....

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moko wrote:

imaš pravo glupa baza...malo me povuka za jezik... frend si mu i kolega i normalno da ćeš reagirat...

ne pada mi napamet se prepucavat ode.
ti si che administrator pa me benaj lipo i rješi stvar....


ma bla... izgledalo mi ko da se neko dete zajebava dok nisam pogledo u profil... :)

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PostPosted: 10.10.2006 16:33    Post subject: Add user to your forum ignore list Reply with quote

moko wrote:
ti si se jako zabunio ne radimo isti posao, ali ako baš hoćeš mogu ti dat koju slikicu da je iskidaš i optimiziraš.

u Jerry Maguireu, ona kaže you got me at hello... BTW, stop hitting yourself

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